Ron, one of my future clients, made a comment on my post about the GFE vs. PSE that he “…want(ed) kissing in addition to anything else” when he paid for sex. He’d made reference to a thread on TER about an escort that billed herself as “95% GFE.” The fact that she didn’t kiss was why she wasn’t a “true” GFE.
For many people a kiss is a much more intimate experience than even vaginal or anal penetration. I know some folks have trouble grasping that concept. After all, you kiss many people throughout your life, and perhaps only rarely allow someone to penetrate your cunt or ass, so how could it be “more intimate” to kiss someone? If you think about it, it makes sense. When you kiss someone, you not only make physical contact with them with your lips, an intensely erogenous zone in and of itself, but you also smell them, taste them, see them very up close and personally; you hear their breathing. It’s one of the few things you can do where all of the senses come into play simultaneously. Everything is right there! It’s so…intimate.
For most people, the face is their most personal space, and it takes a considerable amount of trust to allow someone to invade that invisible protective bubble that surrounds it. You’ll let someone touch you casually on most other parts of your person, but the instant someone reaches for your face without invitation, you jump back. You nuzzle faces with a lover to share moments of intimacy. And a slap to the face is perhaps the most grievous physical insult one person can inflict upon another.
So it should come as no surprise that many prostitutes refuse to kiss their clients, or at best dislike it. This has always been true for street-based workers, where interaction with clients is much more itinerant and there’s little time to form any kind of bond. And, of course, most street workers will see a significant number of clients on any given night, usually without breaks to clean up or reset one’s self. I’ve seen discussions where clients have made the point that they don’t want to kiss someone who’s had their lips around the cocks of multiple partners that evening, so there’s usually a mutual distaste for kissing in these kinds of encounters. The very rushed nature of these types of assignations also tends to preclude any kind of non-essential groping or face mushing in favor of bringing about the paid-for release.
But this dislike for kissing often extends to the off-the-street escort as well, as obviated by the thread Ron referred to. And she is hardly alone. Some providers just believe that is too personal to do with someone who’s paying them for sex. But, a girlfriend who refuses to kiss? I don’t know too many people (from any position on the relationship continuum) who’d support an argument that someone who refused to kiss you was a boyfriend/girlfriend, professional or otherwise.
To me, someone claiming to provide a “girlfriend experience” without kissing is akin to offering the sale of a car without an engine. In fact, one of the central components of the original concept of the GFE was that the provider would kiss the client. Otherwise, there’s not much to offer that you can claim to be girlfriendish. There’s snuggling, I suppose.
I know, for myself, kissing establishes the foundational erotic connection necessary to build a good sex session. I find fucking someone else’s mouth with my tongue, biting and chewing their lips, exploring their oral cavity with my lips and tongue to be quite revealing. I can tell simply by how well someone kisses (regardless of gender) how much enthusiasm they’re going to bring with them to bed. I don’t ever recall being wrong about that, either. To me, sex without kissing is just too mechanical (of course, some prostitutes prefer it that way).
The personal space of the face also comes into play in many other sex acts as well. Take the facial, for example. The ejaculation onto the face of another person is seen by many as degrading, humiliating, or worse.
Many people believe the facial was “invented” by porn producers. Nothing could be further from the truth. The practice has been around since people began documenting their sexual escapades. Of course, most people didn’t even know it existed until they saw it in porn. That point is inarguable. But it has now entered the collective sexual repertoire of a great many people.
Not everyone agrees about the “meaning” of the facials, however. Amanda Marcotte, one of the most cogent feminist writers of our time, made the assertion in a thread on Frisky1 about facials that:
If you like it because it is demeaning, and you like to be dominated, well, okay. Do it to your heart’s content, but don’t deny that it’s an act that is done to dominate and demean.
Now I do believe that receiving a facial is a submissive act, and therefore its performing counterpart would certainly be a dominant act. By default, being on the receiving end of anything is submissive.
But inherently demeaning? Please.
While I generally agree that the original context in which the porn facial developed was misogynistic, and intended to appear to degrade the female in the video, I don’t believe most people take that from pornos today. The facial in today’s context is the ubiquitous ending – the 21st Century “money shot” if you will – what withdrawal and ejaculation on the actress’s ass or cunt was in the porn of days gone by. I think Amanda, and others of her generation, see the act in the context it was originally constructed, while those of my generation do not. At least, not as a universal truth. So I could see why she’d have a hard time dissociating the act itself with misogynistic or demeaning intent.
People often refer to the pornification of our society, and one excellent example of this is the (relative) ubiquity of the exploration of facials as a part of sex play, especially by younger people. I’m not suggesting that many of the facials, as they’re presented in porn today, are not intended to degrade the female. Not at all. What I am saying is that, generally speaking, today’s younger generation doesn’t see it as a demeaning act by default.
To many of us, it’s just another sex act, and a great majority of us are perfectly capable of enjoying that sex act devoid of the political baggage that older generations find necessary to attach to it. In fact, I’d argue that the overwhelming majority of young adults my age (and younger) don’t even understand the original context of how the facial came to be in porn to begin with. So they don’t even have a basis upon which to see it as demeaning; it’s just another sex act they’ve seen in porn and want to try. Period.
I’ve lost count of the number of discussions I’ve been in, and the number of forum threads I’ve participated in where the female is just as likely, if not more so, to want to experiment with facials. And they often have a hard time getting their guys to participate – it’s the guys who often believe it is degrading. So while many older women may believe it demeaning, clearly, those of the younger set do not. There’s more that could be said on this subject, but I won’t belabor the issue here. I’ve previously written about how erotic I find facials to be, if you’re curious and don’t know.
I have clients like that have philosophical issues with facials as well and, not ironically, they are almost invariably the guys in their 40s and 50s. They, too, grew up with porn facials being seen as an inherently demeaning act. The younger guys, however, don’t see it that way and are almost universally excited when they find out that I am willing to allow them to splatter my face with semen. Not once have I felt as though they were doing it to “demean” me, make me feel worthless, or anything with a remotely misogynistic air about it.
So, yes, I do specifically deny that it is universally intended to demean anyone or any group of people.
Slapping is another one of those acts that has become a bit more prevalent in the sex play of many people. This, too, has begun to show up in porn, but, again, it’s been around for far longer than porn movies have been. And of course there’s the assertion that slapping someone is an act intended to dominate. I don’t think you can construct a reasonable argument against that.
I think just about everyone’s played with ass slapping from time to time, or at least, they’re familiar with it as a part of sex play. Some people are even into boob slapping – what a unique sensation that is. But for many, the cut off point is at the neck – no impact play above that imaginary anatomical Maginot Line, to include the face. Again, once you start touching the face, you’re invading that intensely personal space. And not only are you invading it, you’re doing so with the intent to cause pain, something most people prefer to avoid, especially those who don’t enjoy a bit of pain with their penetration.
I happen to enjoy being slapped during sex – the adrenaline and endorphin rushes that come about as a result are intense, and when added into what I’m feeling as a part of being fucked, the sex reaches a new level. But I have to develop some modicum of trust with you to let you go there. Not so much because I need an emotional connection with you so much as it takes some time to to learn how hard to slap someone without hurting them. The more I get to know you, the more I’ll allow you to hit me in previously off-limits places, and I’ll do so such that you start weakly and build intensity. Over time you come to learn how hard you can hit me and make me cum, rather than piss me off.
This is one reason why I won’t let clients or random hook ups slap me on the face. Someone who’s never done it before won’t know how hard they can do it without causing bruises, or where to do it to avoid inflicting permanent damage (to an eye socket, ear canal, or even some of the bony or cartilaginous structures of the face). By the way, if you’ll recall, Penny Flame’s rough sex DVD offers instruction on appropriate slapping techniques.
And then there’s spitting in someone’s face during sex. This, too, has started to make its way into porn of late. If you ask why, it relates to porn’s need to push the limits one step further. Once spitting has become mainstream (if it ever does), I’m not sure what they’ll interject next. I don’t know that I’ve seen anyone make the assertion that spitting has been around long before porn, though I know it’s been present in the BDSM scene for quite a while to one degree or another. So people have played with it to one extent or another.
In our society, spitting on someone is almost universally seen as highly demeaning, and I’m not going to argue that spitting on someone while fucking them doesn’t reek of degradation. I think someone who enjoys being spit upon is occupying submissive space and getting off on being degraded, whether they consciously realize it or not. There’s nothing wrong with that, of course, so long as it is done in a consensual environment and all the participants know where everyone else is coming from.
I went through a period where I wanted to be spit on. In fact, when I was seeking someone to give me my first facial, I indicated in the Craigslist post I made that whoever I selected to ejaculate on me could spit on me as well. There was an almost universal questioning of my motive behind that by the guys who responded to the ad. It wasn’t overtly complicated; I was just in a place where I wanted to explore that feeling as a part of the sex I was participating in.
This extended into my relationship with Nikki as well. She prefers to stay near the sexual center more so than I do, while I like to push my boundaries past center – to explore movement toward the extremes (on either end) from time to time. So when I told her I wanted her to spit in my face when she was fucking me at one point, she freaked out, even though we’d watched porn together and gotten off to women being spit on during the sex. About a month before I left to come to California, she “raped” me one night, and spit in my face a couple of times as a part of that. Afterward, she told me she’d never do that again. I wrote out the story of that experience right after it happened, but it’s just too emotional and personal for me to share, even this far removed from it.
And finally there’s the debauched act of allowing yourself to be face fucked. Face fucking is passive – you’re allowing your face, your mouth, and sometimes your throat, to be used as if it were your cunt. It convolutes your body, so to speak, such that your cunt now resides in that most personal space.
I’m not sure at what point face fucking was constructed as a unique concept with its own cultural context. To an extent, it, too, has gone on perhaps since recorded history. Even my first boyfriend, who had no idea what “face fucking” was (nor did I), would often thrust himself into my mouth when I was sucking his dick if he thought I wasn’t going fast enough (I was 14 – what did I know?). It’s not too far of a reach to turn that into a face fuck – all I needed to do was stop and let him go at it. I wonder how I’d have reacted if I’d been face fucked the first time I gave head. How would that have colored my thoughts about it today? Would I have grown to dislike sucking dick, or would I have become the slut I am today much sooner?
In my personal experiences of late, I often get into sub space when someone’s cock is penetrating my mouth forcefully, especially when my head is upside down, allowing for full, unhindered penetration. It’s almost as if my mouth had literally become my cunt and all those little nerve endings down there have temporarily relocated themselves above my neck so that I now feel in my mouth what I normally feel in my cunt when it is being penetrated. It feels as if my cunt is superimposed over my mouth, if you will. I have yet to actually orgasm from being throat fucked, but I’ve come awfully close (without touching myself). I know people can cum from having their nipples twisted, so it doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility.
I suppose there are people who argue that face fucking is demeaning or degrading. I don’t know anyone who does. At least, not any more so than basic oral sex (and some people do argue that the simple act of a woman sucking a cock is demeaning to her). You will see porn where the guy is forcing his cock down the woman’s throat, gagging her, or making her vomit. I’ve seen women say they enjoy the gagging (not so much the vomiting, of course). This is one of those subjects that depends so much on context, though. But, like the subject of facials, I’ve long since lost count of the number of times I’ve seen girls/women say they enjoy being face fucked. As one woman said on a forum I’m in: It’s the most intensely submissive sensation ever.
So there are a variety of sex acts that people engage in involving the facial area, from basic kissing on one end to having someone spit in your face or power fuck your mouth on the opposite end. How one reacts to any of those depends on how they construct their sexual experiences involving that personal space.
Let me close this out by stating that I fully understand why some people find these acts degrading or demeaning. But while each individual can make those determinations for themselves, neither you nor I can make a global assertion that any of these acts is universally anything to everyone. Each person, with their own unique background, experiences, and perspective has to decide if these are activities they wish to participate in. I certainly make no value judgments about anyone and their decisions in these realms (though I often ask them to explain their rationale, purely to satisfy my own interest in sexual psychology). I will make judgments about those who believe they can opine globally about what others must think or how they must experience something, however. That’s a horse of a different color.
So how do you feel about it? Do you kiss random hook ups (if you have them)? If you use the services of sex workers, do you want them to kiss you? If you’re an escort, do you kiss your clients? How do you feel about facials, or face fucking? About being slapped in the face or spit on in the face during sex? Are those hard limits for you, or open to negotiation?

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The first thing my ATF does when I walk in her door is begin a prolonged kissing session leading to deep french kissing. I find it to be the most satisfying and exciting way to begin any session and it gets me rock hard almost immediately.
I have to laugh when I read an article or see a story on TV about prostitution and the claim that escorts don’t kiss. I’ve even heard Howard Stern discussing it on his show and giving out the false information that escorts don’t kiss. I always want to call up at that point and tell them they are wrong, but I’m on the West Coast so I’m listening to a delayed feed. Oh well
As you might expect given my age (mid-40’s), I’m not into face-fucking, spitting, or facials due to the reasons you delineate above. But are these hard limits – no, their not. Just because I haven’t done something in the past doesn’t mean I’m not willing to try something new with a willing partner.
I have to laugh when I read an article or see a story on TV about prostitution and the claim that escorts don’t kiss.
The overwhelming majority of media reports lump all providers into a single category, so they’re always talking about street workers as if they represent the totality of the industry, when in reality they’re only about 10% of it. The media rarely lets the facts get in the way of a good story.
And I appreciate you fitting the demographic I referenced as not being into the other stuff.
Faces are completely intimate, that’s exactly it. One can wall off other parts of the body, pretend that what is happening there is not oneself but something separate.
Take Manet’s Olympia, seen here: http://www.radford.edu/ewebster2/images/manetolympia.jpg
The courtesan’s choker separates her face (and mind), from the accentuated nudity of her body, below. The division is inescapable; the body is something of which the gentleman caller may partake, a veritable commodity. But the face is different, neatly sealed off and unreachable, a strong woman with a strong mind who retains control even as she surrenders her body.
When the face is implicated in the intimacy, the separation can not continue. It’s impossible (or at least much more difficult) to separate some oneself from an intimate act where there is face to face closeness with another person.
I find sexual closeness involving the face very hot precisely for the intimacy of sights, smells, and tastes where the face is directly involved: kissing, face spitting, face slapping, throat fucking, rimming … yum. YUM.
I can remember in 10th grade reading Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger. The main character, Holden Caulfield, checks into a hotel in New York and finds that the room is crumby because its view is only other hotel rooms. Soon he finds that these other rooms contain interesting visages, and he turns voyeur. The scene that most sticks in my mind is a couple he observes taking turns spitting fluid onto and about one another. My face flushed in reading those pages because the imagery was so arousing.
One is only really demeaned by an act if one chooses to be demeaned by it. Many, women and men alike, find it freeing and arousing to be objectified, humiliated, degraded, fucked, or “used,” and involving the face is part of what makes that act “the real deal.” Where a female is the object of a truly degrading or humiliating act, against her will, or with her consent merely for purposes of pleasing someone else or for some material gain, of course it’s misogynistic. But if it’s because the woman finds it completely hot … Then its a beautiful and artistic exploration of sexuality. The same is true where the object of these acts is a man.
A great topic.
It’s impossible (or at least much more difficult) to separate some oneself from an intimate act where there is face to face closeness with another person.
Very much true. Neat aside about the painting as well.
My face flushed in reading those pages because the imagery was so arousing.
In 10th grade even? I wonder how I would’ve reacted to having read that at that age?
Many, women and men alike, find it freeing and arousing to be objectified, humiliated, degraded, fucked, or “used,” and involving the face is part of what makes that act “the real deal.”
That is very true, despite the fact that a great many “feminists” and others refuse to accept that. That’s one reason why I find sexual psychology so intensely interesting. One woman can literally orgasm from being treated like a piece of meat (I’ve seen that happen), and the next one can be so put off from it that it inhibits her sexually for the rest of her life (seen that happen as well). Incredibly complex stuff.
Thanks for your perspective.
I don’t have a problems with facials/spitting/slapping etc if the girl is into it, but it’s not a turn-on for me. I do like anal and am sure it’s dominant/submissive thing for me. Ditto swallowing.
But I think sex in general is a kind of dominant/submissive thing where the man asserts a kind of ownership over the woman. I think that’s a natural byproduct of evolution – have you ever watched ducks mate? Hilarious!
However, it’s also playtime. Just because I have a preference for dominance in the bedroom doesn’t mean I think less of women in general or their competence in any and all other activities.
Oh and I’ve always loved kissing from providers. Missionary with heavy kissing is one of the most intimate things. I even like to watch that in porn.
But I think sex in general is a kind of dominant/submissive thing where the man asserts a kind of ownership over the woman.
I disagree with that to a degree. The dominance/submission thing with humans is culturally induced more than anything else. While, as I suggested in the piece, the mere act of being penetrated is an act of submission (with the opposing act being dominant), there’s no symbolism related to “ownership” that is biologically inherent. Ownership is a societal construct unique to humans, different from the way animals exhibit ownership of, say, a meal. Even in the vast majority of the animal kingdom, the male still waits for permission from the female before mating – there’s no “ownership” there.
Just because I have a preference for dominance in the bedroom doesn’t mean I think less of women in general or their competence in any and all other activities.
And that’s a good point. A lot of people extrapolate bedroom behavior into other realms, and you just can’t do that. Some of the most dominant people in public and the most submissive in bed and you’d never know that. I think anyone who’s level headed can act out D/s roles in the bedroom without compromising their belief in egalitarianism outside the bedroom. It’s not hard to do, but a lot of people just can’t get there. Sadly.
I guess by “ownership” I don’t mean in the socially constructed sense, but more in the solipsistic one – “at this moment I’m the only thing that matters to you, and your only role is to pleasure me.” This bears out in other ways. The vast majorities of three-ways outside the porn industry or FFM, MMF. Guys have a real paranoia about sword crossing.
No matter, just a minor point of difference between us that would probably disappear in a fuller conversation.
I’ve never found facials to be degrading and, though few might believe it, always considered them to be my ultimate expression of desirability. My cum is my seed. It’s literally who I am on a genetic level. It’s also tangible proof of my sexual pleasure. And to cum on a woman’s tits or or her ass or her pussy, I equate that more with objectification because I’m saying that part of her body defines our sex. But a woman’s face, as you state, is her personal space, and is unique, and is who she is, and so I consider a facial cumshot to say that I find the whole of her persona desirable: sexual, emotional, mental, physical.
A few years back I dated a very progressive woman who had ideas — and the ability to express them — that remind me of some of your posts. I wouldn’t say she was as aggressive as you are in acting on your fantasies, but she definitely had the combination of assertive femininity and a willingness to explore submissive sexual roles, and did not consider one to be necessarily in disagreement with the other.
Our first date — this is a first date, remember — we went to a strip club. (This isn’t the same woman as the other strip club encounter I commented on. Although now that I think about it, I came on her tits. Hmmm.) On the way back, she asked if we could get a porn movie, so we picked one at one of those sanitized, women-friendly porn emporiums. We went home and watched it together, naked in my bed, making out and pleasuring each other but not fucking. And she was asking me if I watched a lot of porn and to give a kind of annotated commentary on what was going on and why. The facials intrigued her especially, and I explained them with a description largely based on the one I gave above (as I have cum on women’s faces and bodies, I’ve refined my definition of the experience and the act.) What do you think? I asked her. “It’s … erotic …!” she replied, as if she had rapidly considered 100 words and could come up with none better to describe it.
The next morning, I got up first and took a shower. When I came out of the shower I noticed my girlfriend laying on my bed, sheets and comforter in a pile on the floor, legs spread, masturbating. She had a pillow under her beautiful ass and was rubbing her clit and gently rolling her hips. She was beautiful, totally into the moment of getting off. She knew I was there but had sort of this detached expression, eyes open slightly, then shut, totally committed to getting herself off.
I sat down in a chair off to the side of the bed, discarded my towel and started jacking off. My lover’s eyes widened when she saw me masturbate and her own stroking and strumming continued faster.
I told her I wanted to see her cum. There is nothing hotter than a woman cumming in my bed, I don’t care how it happens, her hand, a toy, my tongue, my fingers, my dick. Women are beautiful, erotic creatures when they cum. “I want to see you cum,” I said softly, and my lover tipped herself over the edge, rolling her eyes back in her head and making a low “mmmwooooahh” moaning sound, followed by her ragged breathing.
At this moment I stood up, walked over to her slowly, deliberately, still stroking off, pointed my cock at her, and spurted cum all over her face. She looked up at me with a wanton, sex-drenched expression, grabbed my cock and sucked the head, licking me clean as I gradually went softer.
Even after doing this, she still made me wait three weeks before she let me fuck her pussy. For some reason, that made her all the hotter to me.
(If you’re wondering why neither she nor I were “the one,” for the other, the sex was the best ever, but emotionally we were bad for each other and drove ourselves crazy. When we broke up we considered her pussy and my cock the children in the relationship, and scheduled visiting hours to remind them we still loved them.)
though few might believe it, always considered them to be my ultimate expression of desirability. My cum is my seed. It’s literally who I am on a genetic level. It’s also tangible proof of my sexual pleasure. And to cum on a woman’s tits or or her ass or her pussy, I equate that more with objectification because I’m saying that part of her body defines our sex. But a woman’s face, as you state, is her personal space, and is unique, and is who she is, and so I consider a facial cumshot to say that I find the whole of her persona desirable: sexual, emotional, mental, physical.
That, too, is an interesting perspective. I think a woman (or another man, for that matter) allowing someone to ejaculate onto their face demonstrates a great deal of trust and comfort with themselves, physically and emotionally.
Very interesting (and hot) story as well. Thank you for sharing that.
A woman’s face up close during sex has a magical charm. I find women often look quite different then compared to the arm’s length views. Maybe it is her passion maybe that and the eye of the beholder. It blows me away to see that change and appreciate it.
Indeed. Watching someone engaged in real sex is very emotionally stimulating.
I got word of this blog post when Alexa tweeted to me on Twitter, and I must say that I was smiling when I read her reference to me as a “future client”
I am excited and delighted and am looking forward to meeting her sooner rather than later, though I don’t know where or when…..
That being said, as Alexa said, I think kissing is essential, and I want it/need it in any sexual encounter…..with an escort it is essential, and with a stripper (as was the case last night when I got extended cunnilingus and fucking in the VIP Room at a South Florida club), kissing while getting a lap dance is a pre-requisite to getting me to consider paying for more private attention (and having her whisper in my ear that she has no gag reflex and lube/condoms in her bag doesn’t hurt either).
Like Darren, kissing is the first thing I do with my regular companions, and like him, I find it to be the best way to begin a session and something that definitely gets my cock hard.
I’m 38, and like Darren, not into face-fucking, spitting, or facials, though I’d certainly give them (especially facials) a try.
I love cunnilingus/analingus, receiving blowjobs (something that never happens at home) and sex—in a variety of positions, including missionary, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl (I’ve never liked doggy much). Last night’s strip club session was great because the stripper wasn’t afraid of getting caught—and therefore she was seated on the chair in the VIP room and I was able to enter her standing up and pound her…
I’ve experimented with golden showers (giving and receiving) and would try more of it, and expect that eventually, I’ll get Alexa to teach me a few things.
I can’t wait.
LOL @ Ron. What club did you go to, dude? Our club would fire dancers for doing that stuff.
I will e-mail you the particular club later, but let me say that my experience is that in all of the clubs in WPB and Ft. Lauderdale, anything and everything is on the menu….
Ok I’ve not read it all yet I’m too eagar to say something. The way that I see it is that porn and a lot of other ’stuff’ was originally controlled by men and feminists of the time just deemed the whole lot as demeaning to women. It probably was because it was all controlled by men and we had very different attitudes. Being brought up around a lot of ‘old school’ feminists I was made to feel that it was not ok to dress provocatively and be sexually expressive because the feeling was it was all done for men and that made men the controlling sex. It confused the hell out of me because I wanted to be this strong feminist woman but I wanted to wear the short skirt and ‘fuck off’ high heels and always had these secret fantasies about being dominated by a guy in sex. Things evolve and lots of people don’t see the evolution but I saw that actually if women take ownership of their sexuality the meaning changes, the sexual acts don’t change but the meaning does. The issue is of consent if both parties are happy doing it I don’t understand how it can be demeaning?
I think we are still very much in era of ownership changing hands, there seems to be a bit of a divide over those who get it and those who don’t.
Things evolve and lots of people don’t see the evolution but I saw that actually if women take ownership of their sexuality the meaning changes, the sexual acts don’t change but the meaning does. The issue is of consent if both parties are happy doing it I don’t understand how it can be demeaning?
You are right on all points. It’s a shame that some people can’t see through their own indoctrination to allow themselves, and others, to enjoy it purely for what it is without having to attach some sort of stigma or political meaning to it.
A couple of thoughts to answer your question…
Yes, kissing has always been very intimate for me – even back in my days of “one night stands” and slutting around, I really didn’t kiss a girl passionately unless it was someone I was serious about – if it was just a fuck then I did my best to avoid it. Though I’ve never really thought about that aspect til reading your post & thinking through my reply.
But I’m reminded of an “almost fling” with a stripper… Never hooked up, although we both seriously considered it. What I find interesting in reading your post is part of how things went – we did the whole lapdance etc thing – both of us very definitely aroused and in the moment numerous times. I certainly saw all of her, and she saw and touched enough of me through clothing that their was no need to be shy. Hell, she ground on my hand to orgasm secretly during one dance. But despite all that, it was crossing the line & kissing which was the hardest thing of all for both of us – something she didn’t do with most customers (which I believed) and certainly something unusual for me – but when we did finally cross the line for that temptation, our lips meeting and then our tongues, the sparks from that put everything prior to shame…
One of those few that I don’t regret, but I do wish could have gone further if that makes sense?
As for the facial – I’m a big fan (despite being in your upper age range lol) – not from the degrading standpoint at all. For me it is a mix of two things – one is purely visual – a woman just looks incredibly sexy and arousing with fresh cum on her face, it just seems to top off the whole even as it were. #2, as opposed to degrading, to me it is a level of intimacy and trust – anyone can fuck wearing a condom, hell even the swallow/spit debate can remain impersonal – but a woman who will let you cum on her face has said she is aroused by you and trusts you enough to let you leave your fluids on her skin for you to view and enjoy. Just something to me there says more that it is a mark of lust rather than possession.
Just my opinions.
Again, interesting perspective, especially your second point in the last paragraph there. Thanks for that.
When I was a young adult, I found sucking cock to be very demeaning. I wanted nothing to do with it. I hated doing it. As I got older, I hit my sexuality and somehow, something clicked. I no longer found it degrading, but rather powerful instead. I find it very powerful to suck a man’s cock to the point of ejaculation. So now I love doing it.
Face fucking, oh when I get into that mood, I love it! Same as you, head hanging over the side of the bed to allow him deep penetration. I don’t mind the gagging so much. In fact, I will gag myself on a cock because of that thick saliva that rushes forward. It helps me make things nice and wet.
I don’t normally go for facials. It’s not something I crave often, but I do crave it from time to time.
When I was a young adult, I found sucking cock to be very demeaning. I wanted nothing to do with it. I hated doing it. As I got older, I hit my sexuality and somehow, something clicked. I no longer found it degrading, but rather powerful instead. I find it very powerful to suck a man’s cock to the point of ejaculation. So now I love doing it.
That is not uncommon at all, especially for women who were forced or coerced (physically or emotionally) into doing it the first time.
Thanks, Mina.
I always kiss because it removes the void that could still exist between two people who are just slapping extended meat against extended meat. Even eye contact can fail to bring that sense of unification. Sometimes I just don’t see anything in the person’s eyes or I see their awkwardness and vulnerability and it takes me out of the zone. Then I can usually only enjoy the sexiness on an impersonal level. I think my mouth is closer to my core than my cock. But maybe it’s because without the eye contact I can be fully expressive while still allowing myself to hide a little.
How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.
I love thee to the depth and breadth and height
My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight
For the ends of Being and ideal Grace.
I love thee to the level of everyday’s
Most quiet need, by sun and candle-light.
I love thee freely, as men strive for Right;
I love thee purely, as they turn from Praise.
I love thee with a passion put to use
In my old griefs, and with my childhood’s faith.
I love thee with a love I seemed to lose
With my lost saints, — I love thee with the breath,
Smiles, tears, of all my life! — and, if God choose,
I shall but love thee better after death.
~EBB
I always kiss because it removes the void that could still exist between two people who are just slapping extended meat against extended meat.
Indeed.
You’ve been MIA for a while. I thought you’d abandoned me.
A very interesting post, which I enjoyed reading.
It’s written from the perspective of a woman in control, confident and assertive about what she wants from sex, what she doesn’t want from sex and how to set boundaries.
However lots of women aren’t like that. If life is imitating porn [discuss] then lots of women are going to be coerced into receiving facials etc and instead of feeling degraded/slutty and turned on they’ll just feel degraded.
I know that it’s my job (well not just me) to pick up the slack but there are fewer sexual health and relationships workers than porn stars. If porn is re-calibrating sexual norms then lots of women are going to feel degraded and lots of men are going to be disappointed and confused.
I’d be really interested to read a post about where your confidence and assertiveness came from, and what you would want young people to know/learn to get it themselves.
Bish
If life is imitating porn [discuss] then lots of women are going to be coerced into receiving facials etc and instead of feeling degraded/slutty and turned on they’ll just feel degraded.
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If porn is re-calibrating sexual norms then lots of women are going to feel degraded and lots of men are going to be disappointed and confused.
You’re exactly right. We need to teach young people how to understand and process porn so they know that it isn’t the way things are “supposed to be.” If I had my way, sex ed in high school would include information about porn, how to use it, and how it’s constructed. I’m not advocating showing them porn (they’ve all seen it anyway), but rather basic discussions about it and how it should be used.
Of course, we can’t even get basic sex ed in schools here in the U.S., and parents would go ape shit if you included material about porn.
I’d be really interested to read a post about where your confidence and assertiveness came from, and what you would want young people to know/learn to get it themselves.
That’s an excellent idea. I’ll give it some thought. It came from the way I was raised. My parents, my father especially, taught me how to make rational decisions and how to stand up for myself, so that’s where most of it came from.
There’s a short (4 minute!!) cartoon movie “Teat Beat of Sex” which should be shown to everyone by the time they reach college. It shows sex from a woman’s point of view mostly. Unfortunately it is considered “explicit” and won’t be shown in high schools but as a college orientation flix it would be perfect.
I’m going to do a post on my blog for young people about porn, just as soon as I work out what to say exactly! In the meantime this is rather good
http://www.gurl.com/showoff/comix/pages/0,,663683,00.html
Looking forward to reading more from you: excellent stuff, keep it up.
Juz
I’m going to do a post on my blog for young people about porn, just as soon as I work out what to say exactly!
I look forward to reading that. I may attempt the same thing at some point, since I’ve long advocated that we teach teens about the appropriate use and context of porn. It is a conversation we need to have with them (and by “conversation” I mean something other than just superficial glossing over of the subject).
I think there is a lot of power in being submissive. All us men have been moved by it at some time or another. Sometimes in a simple hug.
Also we are of course attracted to women. For sure we like to look at and touch everything. The rest just flows from there, we do have more to touch a woman with than just eyes and hands. I like putting my genitals on many parts of a woman, including her beautiful face. While she is being submissive on that, it is not powerless. She is feeding the power of the moment right along with the man.
Now that I think of it, that is a good idea for some erotic pictures. Before the facial, but not the usual blowjob/penis in mouth. A little of the foreplay of both of them.
While she is being submissive on that, it is not powerless. She is feeding the power of the moment right along with the man.
That’s an excellent point. Many people equate submission as being powerless, when nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, in most cases, the exact opposite is the case – the submissive one is the one who holds the balance of the power in such instances.
What an extraordinarily thoughtful post! Subsequent comments/discussion too. It certainly is exciting, to echo something that was stated above, to encounter a beautiful woman expressing herself so openly on this topic.
I have never given a facial. I will state that from the outset. It does seem clear to me that it involves a dominant/submissive dynamic and, yet, is that a bad thing? I think that much of what we find so arousing about sex is tied to that. It’s curious how many of us like to talk dirty and almost sort of narrate our sexual encounters. And we conjur that dominant/submissive theme. You know how it goes. “Yeah, fuck me. I’m your little slut.” / “mm. you like that, you little slut? yeah? you like when I fuck your pussy like that?” etc. That’s hot. Why is it so hot? Because the giver is discharging his power (so to speak) over another, so to speak? What does the receiver get out of it? Maybe it’s tied to trust. Maybe it’s those mirror neurons activating, giving us added pleasure. I’m sure it’s that. (i.e. the same regions of the brain light up, although to a lesser extent, when we’re just thinking about something, as [activate] when we’re actually doing it. And the effects can be somewhat the same, which is why people re-live traumatic experiences or really are, literally, letting someone hurt them again and again, for example.) But anyway, let me throw a couple of thoughts out here.
Can an act be consensual but still be degrading or otherwise improper? I think it can be, but the question that obviously arises here is “According to whom? And what interest do you have in my affairs?” The idea of two equal parties completely willingly entering into an agreement for their mutual benefit is the idealized version of a contract, but – while I’m not suggesting that women can’t/wouldn’t knowingly consent or even enjoy it – I do think that most real world relationships are more complex than that, with all kinds of motives, pressures, and power dynamics clouding the picture. Many women, I’m sure, consent to it because they want to please the man. I should say receiver/giver to keep it gender neutral.
In terms of evolutionary history, I get the intuition that.. sex usually meant insemination and there’s something about pulling out and cumming on her face which is like using her for pleasure, but refusing to give her a child.. and having the audacity to splooge on the most human, expressive part of her. I see why people find that intuitively humiliating. Although this is kind of silly on two counts because it says that the purpose of sex is procreation and that, in any case, women can’t be interested in sex for mere pleasure. She wants him to cum inside. He doesn’t want to make that commitment. So maybe this – I think, common – intuition suggests that we as a society still aren’t as comfortable as we should be with female sexual prowess. The shocking idea that a woman might actually want to have sex for pleasure.
I do think that women may feel pressured to do it at the behest of the man (perhaps, in turn, because he saw it in porn). I also agree with what someone said above as far as.. in these porns, I sometimes feel sorry for the girl because it’s as if her pleasure has been interrupted.. she didn’t get to cum.. or to enjoy further satisfaction, but instead experiences the man abruptly withdrawing, and then grunting and acting very aggressively and dominantly, while the woman kneels compliantly before him and takes it to the face. If the face is such a personal area – and it is – doesn’t that raise the stakes with regard to.. the meaning of having it cum all over? It does strike me as inherently submissive, humiliating, and degrading. What purpose does it serve except to send a message of dominion and objectification? “But women like being dominated and objectified.” Do they? Do all women? Most? Some?
I find it hard to know what to think about this. But I do want to point a few things out, with regard to this issue of consent and the paternalistic concern of a third party. Aren’t there situations, where we do find it appropriate to impose judgment or intervene? I think a lot of people when they see something like Hugh Hefner’s “bunny ranch” have the reaction that.. those women may not fully realize the.. objectification they’re both submitting to themselves, and portraying to the outside world as an acceptable way to relate to women generally. It is paternalistic and imposing, but many judge that some of those girls are basically not sharp or self-aware enough to fully understand the implications of what they’re doing. Or with someone who is expressing a desire or intention to kill himself. Many judge – paternalistically and imposingly – that such a person is “not in his right mind.” The assumption apparently being that no one in their right mind would choose to kill themselves. It’s a very difficult issue. It’s like, well, maybe they would want to live if they were “in their right mind,” but then again, who are you to say that they’re not? Who are you to say that life is always worth living and that suicide is never a logical/reasonable/freely chosen option?
The point of all of that was to suggest that.. it might not be entirely unreasonable to imply that confident, intelligent, fully-informed women wouldn’t knowingly elect to have cum splattered on their faces. But then again, who am I – who is anyone – to intervene if that really is what she wants? What I’m saying is that.. while I generally agree with feminists on a lot of things.. there is some of that condescension.. they’re in the position of saying: if you were Really a strong, independent, actualized woman, you wouldn’t submit to that. And that sounds like snobbery of values. So Alexa is understandably offended by the radical feminists’ shot at her intelligence and her ability to make an informed decision for herself as to whether or not she wants to participate in this kind of activity. But I also think that the feminists and some of the commenters here are correct to point out that the context in which this choice takes place can be profoundly and inappropriately skewed in light of the norms propagated by pornography, prevailing attitudes towards women and female sexuality, etc.
I should say receiver/giver to keep it gender neutral.
Why bother? The entire rest of your post reeks of paternalism.
It’s interesting (and bothersome, quite honestly), that you seem to decry paternalism, yet your own post is laced with it (despite your attempt to cast it as if other people see it that way and you don’t). I think that’s all I’ll say at this point, because otherwise, I’d expend more effort than I want to tearing apart your comments.
I appreciate your perspective, but I think you need to step back and at least make the effort to see things from something other than your male privilege.
Bravo!
I only want to comment about the first part of your post; kissing. All the other parts (facials, slapping, spitting and face fucking) are not things that I am into at all. Although I often like to sexually dominate my partner, I could never insult or (in my own eyes) demean any woman this way – even if they wanted me too (and some have).
Kissing is a key part of my sexual encounters. It is not the kiss, but how you kiss, how you interact in that most intimate of ways as sex partners. It can be the key differentiator between having sex and making love. It can turn a basic act which satiates a desire into a mutually fulfilling experience. I am absolutely sure (although I don’t think I’ll test this scientifically) that I get more aroused by my lover when she kisses me than when she puts her hand on my dick.
There again, kissing has also got me into a lot of trouble in the past. As a naive and very misguided teenager, I believed that if I didn’t passionately kiss a date at the end of the evening I was, in effect, insulting her. Being a very polite chap, I ended up in passionate trysts with a few girls I shouldn’t and had to deal with the fallout.
As a naive and very misguided teenager, I believed that if I didn’t passionately kiss a date at the end of the evening I was, in effect, insulting her.
Ahaha. I bet that resulted in some interesting encounters.
Kissing is essential for me. Although with a first-time client, there must be a build-up to it: I know some escorts like to set the mood with immediate french kissing upon opening the door. To me, kissing is more intimate, and I need to get a feel for the person before I ease into it.
I had an interesting discovery lately. I hated face slapping in porn! It looked so degrading. I could never imagine doing that. And then one of my best clients lightly and experimentally slapped my face as I was on my knees sucking his cock. And I liked it! I had an adrenaline rush, similar but more intense than when butt slapping – perhaps, because a taboo has been breached.
And I can’t wait to see him again to find out where this takes us.
So now, my pre-determined notion have been shattered. For example, I also actively dislike the idea of spitting. Since I like rough sex and a lot of rough sex porn includes spitting, I always have to endure watching it and cringe. But then I saw a Sasha Grey video where her and a partner were spitting onto each other with a playful fight. It was hot!
Basically, as the result I now try to avoid forming opinions about sexual acts until I’ve actually experienced them myself.
I had an adrenaline rush, similar but more intense than when butt slapping – perhaps, because a taboo has been breached.
That, and your body’s natural reaction to being assaulted and having pain inflicted – the release of adrenaline and endorphins – chemicals that will do a number on your body. That adrenaline burst heightens your entire body’s sensitivity, for example, and the endorphins released to satiate the pain makes it feel good once the sting is over.
For example, I also actively dislike the idea of spitting. Since I like rough sex and a lot of rough sex porn includes spitting, I always have to endure watching it and cringe. But then I saw a Sasha Grey video where her and a partner were spitting onto each other with a playful fight. It was hot!
That is very similar to how I discovered my appreciation for being slapped. I’d seen several porn videos where the woman was being slapped and it was quite clear it wasn’t something they enjoyed – it turned me off.
But then I saw a video of Hollie Stevens in a rough sex scene. The guy was slapping the shit out of her face while he was fucking her and she was getting off on it. I remember having some very strong orgasms masturbating to that scene (many times) just watching her reaction and the arousal it generated in her. It led me to trying it for myself, resulting in even more orgasms.
Basically, as the result I now try to avoid forming opinions about sexual acts until I’ve actually experienced them myself.
And I think that is the absolute best , most mature way to deal with it. It’s easy to say everyone should only try those things that interest them, but if you don’t expand your limits and think outside the box from time to time, you limit yourself, IMO.
Thanks for sharing your experience, Ingrid.
Alexa,
Excellent post. I’d have to agree that the face is an intensely personal space, and thus the degree to which one chooses to incorporate it into a sexual experience can make that sex accordingly more or less personal. And the facets of experience are endless.
I will make judgments about those who believe they can opine globally about what others must think or how they must experience something, however.
If that’s the case, I’d have to ask what you thought of the “article” on porn from Bitch magazine last month.
http://bitchmagazine.org/post/i-blame-porn-1
…and the response, to her own piece since she got so much flack for the first one:
http://bitchmagazine.org/post/i-still-blame-porn-a-response-2
I think it’s really unfortunate that similar arguments tend to be standard fare in “feminist” circles. I consider myself a feminist; after all, feminism is simply the desire for equality, but I shy from the title because of the negative associations and stigmas it inevitably brings up. And those stigmas are fueled by arguments like these–problematizing isn’t the solution to anything, if you ask me.
(I reacted so strongly to both of these pieces that I felt compelled to post comments to both:
http://bitchmagazine.org/post/i-blame-porn-1#comment-7646
http://bitchmagazine.org/post/i-still-blame-porn-a-response-2#comment-7852
)
Anyway, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on these and similar arguments.
~A
I think I went out of my way to be open-minded, evenhanded, and tentative in what I said. I’m saddened by your defensive reaction to the opinions you assume I hold.
. I’m sure there exist women who feel uncomfortable with certain sexual practices and roles that seem to be expected of them perhaps due to the profusion of pornography and lingering sexist attitudes. (Look at these porns. The woman has to wear something sexy and deep throat his dick while the guy just sits there wearing whatever he feels like, just acting like a player. I think you see this type of thing a lot in culture generally too. Maybe I’m off-base). Do you disagree?
. There are also plenty of women who enjoy all kinds of sexual activities that others might label slutty or degrading. Often, these critics will label the behavior as such out of their own jealousy, lack of confidence, lack of sex appeal, and sense of moral superiority.
. Feminists, then, do right by the first group of women, who are uncomfortable with the range of activities portrayed in hardcore pornography or whatever the case may be. Like I said, to the extent that sexism in pornography and in culture more broadly contributes to this tension, feminists have a valid claim.
. However.. in the well-intentioned quest to slay sexism and come to the aid of its victims, the feminist risks being just as obnoxiously essentialist and reductionistic when she insists or implies that women in general are coy little flowers who couldn’t possibly do anything but blush at talk of facials/deep throating/face slapping/etc.
I think we’re actually in agreement. If there’s something we disagree about, it’s on the size and significance of the class of women who submit to acts they’re actually uncomfortable with out of a sense of female duty, submission, etc.
I was disturbed by facials until I remembered how much cunt juice I get on my face when I go down on a woman.
That’s a good way to look at it.
Prior to meeting me, my (now) wife was a dom – sometimes a dom for hire. She still tops at local lifestyle clubs. However, when we started living together, for the first time in her life, she decided to try the switch thing. As part of that, she’s tried a lot of different things. It started with her having me bind her. Eventually, she had me use her paddles and canes on her (which was fun to explain the cane-marks to her very non-lifestyle gynecologist). She’s tried pearl necklaces, facials, face-fucking (to the point of vomiting), servicing glory holes, acting as a fluffer at gangbangs and bukkake parties and, most recently, actually centering a bukkake party. I never know what she’s going to push her personal boundaries with next. And, it’s always surprising to find out what it is she ends up liking (though, frequently, she expresses that “like” very oblique forms – typically something like “that wasn’t so awful – I might be willing to try it again under the right circumstances”).
I’ve just turned forty. My wife and I have been in the swing lifestyle since about a year before we got married (seven years ago, now). One would think I’d be pretty jaded by sex-related things. However, it still surprises me when my wife or people at the swing parties express a desire to participate in the more extreme activities. Because I’m at that cusp-age you previously noted, I’m more than willing to participate in the more fringe acts – and indeed frequently find them rather exciting – but it’s rare that I initiate them.